Psikologi Transformatif: [psikologi_transformatif] Re: Berarti naluri kita itu "iblis" yah?

--- In psikologi_transformatif@yahoogroups.com, leonardo rimba <leonardo_rimba@...> wrote:
> L = Thanks for your prayer too, amen. The weather was
> so humid yesterday that I slept with my shirt OFF (and
> my pants _STILL_ ON). Yet I could feel the humidity
> even inside the bedroom with its never turned-off air
> condition. Panas sekali, but I was thinking of hugging
> somebody else even then. So, it might be just a matter
> of MIND SET and NOT WEATHER. How could we hug somebody
> in such a humid weather ? Impossible, impossible. Too
> hot, bisa basah kuyup.

harez:
Mas Leo .... apakah ada indikasi bahwa naluri anda mulai tergugah ....? :)

Ha...ha...ha... :)

salam,
harez

--- In psikologi_transformatif@yahoogroups.com, leonardo rimba <leonardo_rimba@...> wrote:
>
> NGOBROL AJA YA, MAS LEO
>
> D = Daisy
> L = Leo
>
>
> D = Hmm.. hm..hm.. (to borrow your expression) what a
> commitment! Having to answer all these diabolical
> questions on the mail-list!
>
> L = Ha ha ... I laughed hearing the word diabolical;
> it reminded me of Dante with his sonnets LA DIVINA
> COMEDIA (The Divine Commedy). How diabolical? Hey,
> look out, HIS FACE LOOKS SO DIABOLICAL. He is a
> DIABOLOS which is none other than THE DEVIL. Le
> Diablos, maybe that's how to write it. I'm not
> conversant in Italiano, yet enjoying such cute words
> as "diabolical".
>
> You know what, I know somebody who is REALLY A DEVIL
> REINCARNATED. Benar2 Reinkarnasi dari Syaiton Jahanam,
> dan itu ada di one of the mailing lists that I
> subscribed. Bentuknya manusia, tapi SIFATNYA BENAR2
> SEPERTI HEWAN LIAR. Well, he is A MAD PERSON. Sakit
> jiwa, dan tidak memiliki hati nurani. Dan tidak
> memiliki rasa malu. Dan kami semua kasihan sama dia,
> kok Tuhan bisa menciptakan the Devil dalam bentuk
> seorang manusia? Mustinya kan bentuknya like a ghost
> begitu, tetapi itu bentuknya manusia. Dan very
> HORRIBLE. Hor hor hor HORRIBLE.
>
> D = The weather forecast for Jakarta for the whole
> week is simply - cloudy and scattered thunder storms.
> Your wish is being granted in a scattered manner..
> For Seoul, it's getting cooler and cooler! Envy me,
> when it's cold I can wear clothes to keep me warm, but
> when it's hot you can't take off your clothes to cool
> off.
>
> L = Thanks for your prayer too, amen. The weather was
> so humid yesterday that I slept with my shirt OFF (and
> my pants _STILL_ ON). Yet I could feel the humidity
> even inside the bedroom with its never turned-off air
> condition. Panas sekali, but I was thinking of hugging
> somebody else even then. So, it might be just a matter
> of MIND SET and NOT WEATHER. How could we hug somebody
> in such a humid weather ? Impossible, impossible. Too
> hot, bisa basah kuyup.
>
> D = Malay is my mother tongue but more comfortable in
> English especially for private thoughts.
>
> L = Hmm, Indonesian is my mother tongue, even though
> my mother might have objected to the term. My tongue
> is my tongue, my mother might have countered it. And
> it has no mark on it whether it is Indonesian or not.
> Ok, my mother's tongue is my mother's tongue,... it
> has no nationality. I'm quite fair, I believe. But
> English is a special language for me, it's the
> language of LOVE. I talk with my ETERNAL LOVER in
> English. And the gender is irrelevant, katanya begitu.
> God told me kalau dia bukan laki2 dan bukan perempuan
> walaupun menurut kebanyakan orang GOD itu laki2. Nah,
> kalo GOD itu laki2, bagaimana saya bisa mencintainya?
> Nanti saya dibilang homosex which I am not.
> Pleeeeezzzz...
>
> D = Last night, perhaps after midnight, I distinctly
> heard a voice in my head, saying just one syllable I
> think. But a distinct voice with a certain character,
> and my reaction was 'Hmm what was that all about'. And
> went back to sleep. Five months ago when we moved into
> this apartment (a very pleasant apartment on the 12
> floor), I heard a loud voice from the living room,
> loud enough to wake me up and sent me investigating.
> What could that be?
>
> L = Just your restlessness EXPRESSING ITSELF. Ignore
> it. But, when the voice is distinct and understandable
> then you HAVE TO LISTEN TO IT. I once heard the same
> exact words that NABI YAHYA heard when he baptized
> NABI ISA on the River Jordan. I heard it in
> Malay/Indonesian; I was 19 yo at that time. Well, the
> meaning reached me finally years later. At that time I
> could only get frightened. What else could I do ? The
> voice was so clear yet nobody was around.
>
> D = At the risk of sounding self-indulgent, I'd like
> to describe my experience of my aura at one time -
> when I lied down and had my whole face covered by
> some mask at a salon, I saw light purple and green,
> inter-coursing each other and spreading all over, not
> in an unpleasant way, and I thought Hmm that must be
> my aura., and soon fell asleep as I usually do.
>
> L = Hmm, it means that you are PSYCHIC in your own
> way. And your psychical abilities are always related
> to EMOTIONS residing with the people you have
> interactions with. Always like that, yet you could see
> the borders. You could delineate which are INSIGHTS
> (INTUITIONS) and which are simply EMOTIONS. That's the
> meaning of your vision according to my humble opinion.
>
> D = Ngobrol aja ya, Mas Leo. Nothing important to tax
> your mind. I really have to read slowly your Jakarta
> lingo, some of the others I find it difficult. Still,
> I think Indonesian is a *wonderful* language, made so
> by the people. My first trip to Indonesia was a
> holiday on my own years back, to Danau Toba and
> Brastagi. There was a chap with a camera enticing
> people to be photographed, when it came to me, he
> asked where my *pacar* was, I said 'Tidak ada'.
> 'Sendirian saja?' 'Ya'. 'Luarbiasa. Nanti malem dingin
> enggak ada yang peluk-peluk?' 'Tidak ada'.
> 'Luarbiasa!!' I still think that was comical. Why
> luarbiasa?
>
> L = Luar biasa, extraordinary, because you were alone
> without a BOYFRIEND or FAMILY accompanying you.
> Indonesians (and Malays too) usually always travel in
> groups and to be alone on your own is EXTRAORDINARY.
> Aku juga seperti itu, like to travel alone, dan itu
> merupakan OPPORTUNITY bagi sebagian orang untuk
> menawarkan SERVICES. When I was in Surabaya staying at
> a hotel, a guy approached me and inquired whether I
> was alone or with somebody.
>
> When he learnt that I was alone he was delighted. Aha,
> aha, said he... pssstt we have cute little girls here
> to accompany you. We'll take some here to you, and you
> could choose whomever you like. Ha? said I, Really?
> Yeah, said he. But there's a "price" for it. Oh, in
> that case forget it, I replied. Who do you think I am
> that I have to pay for just fooling around? And at
> that reply the guy just walked away. Ho ho ho...
>
> D = Have a good week ahead!
>
> L = Have a good week for you too!
>
>
> +++++++++++++
>
> MUNGKIN AKAN ADA BENCANA ALAM BESAR-BESARAN
>
> A = Ardi
> L = Leo
>
>
> A = Halo, saya tadi baca ttg astrologi bintang dan
> planet ttg 2012, hmmm kok Rasanya seperti ada Radiasi
> energi pas saya baca.
>
> L = Radiasi ? Bagaimana 2012 menurut astrologi ?
>
> A = <www.astrologycourse.org/2012.htm> disini mas.
> Disana kan ada simbol2 ttg planet2 dan disana
> diterangkan koordinat planet pas 2012, gimana mas???
> hehehe saya lagi kebetulan pengen lihat images ttg
> 2012, eh kebetulan dapat astrologi dari segi
> perbintangan. Energi yang saya rasakan itu dari
> teksnya atau dari saya sendiri karena saking penasaran
> mas ?
>
> L = Kita bisa MERASAKAN ENERGI 2012 BAHKAN SAAT INI,
> bahkan tanpa melihat astrological chart itu.
>
> A = Hmmm mungkin saya saking penasaran itu bikin saya
> "sadar" akan energinya yang sudah berjalan sekarang
> ini ya mas ?
>
> L = Energinya udah berasa, kata kuncinya kan
> TRANSFORMASI. Perubahan menjadi lebih baik. Kalau
> gak mau berubah, ya bisa "mati". Kalau mau berubah,
> kesempatan untuk peningkatan kesadaran (awareness/
> eling) itu terbuka lebar. Itu aja yang aku lihat. Dan
> memang secara fisik terlihat dari PERUBAHAN CUACA,
> IKLIM, banyak BENCANA ALAM. Banyak orang yang
> kehilangan keseimbangan. Yang pegangannya materi akan
> semakin materialisis dan akhirnya MENYALAHKAN
> SEGALANYA. Semuanya salah kecuali dirinya sendiri.
>
> Yang materialistis selalu merasa paling benar. Biar
> aja, itu kan gejalanya juga. Dan "materialistis" tidak
> berarti materi thok. Materialistis berarti naluriah,
> mengandalkan NALURI SEMATA. Menggunakan Naluri untuk
> mempertahankan kelangsungan dirinya semata. Mereka itu
> yang akan terkena dampak dari TRANSFORMASI ALAM
> SEMESTA. Dan itu SUDAH TERASA BAHKAN SAAT INI, tapi
> momentum itu semakin lama semakin kuat.
>
> A = Hmm Sama dengan Seleksi Alam ya mas? i c PuncakNya
> 2012 ?
>
> L = Aku sendiri gak melihat itu sebagai "puncak", tapi
> semacam TURNING POINT. Titik Balik sehingga bisa
> INTROSPEKSI kejadian2 selama 100 tahun terakhir.
> Menurut aku begitu. Kalau saat ini kita masih seperti
> rancu, gak bisa melihat jelas. Something like that.
>
> A = I c
>
> L = Mungkin akan ada BENCANA ALAM BESAR-BESARAN tapi
> belum tentu pas di tahun 2012. Aku rasa, bencana2 itu
> munculnya justru sebelum 2012.
>
> A = Hmmm Ngeri juga nich Bencana Alam, but ngerinya
> juga Seandainya Nuklir2 yang "disimpan" dikeluarkan
> ech saling Tembak-Tembakan Nuklir itu lebih serem ya
> mas?
>
> L = Aku rasa gak ada peledakan nuklir besar2an. Kalo
> kecil2an mungkin ada.
>
> A = Semoga aja mas, artinya manusia yg gak mau sadar
> intinya akan seperti terseleksi oleh Alam ya kan mas,
> termasuk saya juga kalau gak selaras dengan alam ini?
>
> L = Well, lihat saja. Orang2 kan banyak RESAH. Pada
> gak tahu kenapa tapi resah aja. Biarin aja, itu kan
> pertanda juga. Kalo gak resah kan gak mao berobah. Aku
> juga gak mao berobah kalo gak resah. Jadi memang ada
> semacam ISYARAT DARI ALAM melalui TUBUH dan ALAM
> PIKIRAN kita sendiri. Rasanya ada sesuatu tapi gak
> tahu apa. Nah, kebanyakan orang tahu bahwa perlu
> mencari sesuatu, tapi gak tahu apa yang dicari itu.
> Biarin aja. Jadinya saling cari2an. Ntar ketemunya di
> Biro Jodoh.
>
> A = Hahahahaha, ok deh ya mas Thanks ya, see u !
>
> L = See you, bay !
>
>
> +++++++++++++
>
> BERARTI NALURI KITA ITU "IBLIS" YAH?
>
> D = Dewanto
> L = Leo
>
>
> D = Halo Mas Leo, beberapa waktu lalu aku dah liat
> foto Mas Leo, ternyata masih muda ya?
>
> L = Itu waktu aku baru lulus dari UI lagi. Sekarang
> masih mirip, tapi gak se-innocent itu. Gak
> se-melankolis yang di foto itu. Hem?
>
> D = Hahaaa... Mas, aku tuh merasa sejak puasa hari
> pertama sampe sekarang, jadi lebih tenang; tingkat
> ikhlasnya lebih tinggi; trus, lebih banyak mengalami
> sinkronisitas... Ini mungkin makna dari "iblis
> dikerangkeng di bulan ramadan" ya? Ada penjelasan soal
> itu mas?
>
> L = Bagus, dunk. Siapa bilang "iblis" dikerangkeng di
> bulan Ramadhan. Yang dikerangkeng itu NALURI dhewe.
>
> D = Ya, maksudku, itu maknanya.
>
> L = Segala napsu2 kita yang biasanya menjalar
> kemana-mana, di bulan ramadhan di AZAR ADAT. Gak boleh
> kurang azar. Ya, simboliknya gitu. Tetapi, berarti
> naluri kita itu "iblis" yah? Jahat amat ya?
>
> D = Hehehe.... maksudnya mungkin dengan iblis
> (pikiran negatif) dikerangkeng, naluri kita jadi lebih
> tajam gitu kali?
>
> L = Gak gitu mas, INTUISI yang jadi lebih tajam.
>
> D = Ooo
>
> L = NALURI itu TUMPUL. Always tumpul, dan
> segitu-gitunya aja. Paling bisa ditahan atau dilatih
> adat seperti dalam PUASA. Yang bisa menjadi LEBIH KUAT
> itu
> INTUISI.
>
> D = Bedanya intuisi ama naluri apa siy?
>
> L = Wah, aku udah nulis panjang lebar tentang INTUISI
> dan NALURI, bisa dilihat di milis SPIRITUAL-INDONESIA
> kalo belom sempat baca.
>
> D = Siiiplah, nanti saya cari, tapi yg saya rasakan
> ini membuktikan bahwa kalau kita puasa, fisik memang
> terasa lemah, tapi spiritual lebih kuat ya mas?
>
> L = Sure, emang gitu. Apalagi ditambah doa. Puasa dan
> Doa itu CAPITAL (Modal) untuk hal2 yang bersifat
> SPIRITUAL (Rohaniah).
>
> D = Iya, makanya aku mau banyak2 berdoa di bulan puasa
> ini. Soalnya dah terbukti dan cepet lagi.
>
> L = Sure, emang gitu. Mas, aku mao sign out lagi neh.
> Campe nanti yah, bay bay !!
>
>
> +++++++++++++
>
> [Leo adalah seorang praktisi PSIKOLOGI TRANSPERSONAL.
> Untuk membuat appointment, please call / sms him at
> HP: 0818-183-615. Untuk bergabung dengan milis
> SPIRITUAL-INDONESIA, please click this link:
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Spiritual-Indonesia>.
> Note: Except my own name, all other names used in the
> conversations are pseudonyms.].
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