Minggu, 16 Desember 2007

Balasan: Re: [psikologi_transformatif] Re: Balasan: Syaikh Siti Jenar (sex siti jenar)

wacana sex "ala" siti jenar dapat dimaknai pula sebagai puncak kepuasan individu pasca persetubuhan "Tuhan" dan "Manusia". bersatunya dua unsur ini pada ajaran tasawuf dipahami sebagai proses kedekatan hamba dengan sang kholik.
kepuasan hasrat individu ini, bisa saja dimiripkan dengan hubungan badan kita sewaktu di malam pertama. namun saya ngga berani nanggung kalo para ahli sufi tiba2 memberondong saya dengan sejuta dalil...he..he!!
lantaran puncak kenikmatan pada saat sepasang individu pada saat melakukan hubungan sex merupakan cerminan penyaluran pola komunikasi badaniah, penyaluran nafsu kehewanan manusia maupun gerbang regenerasi dan  akulturasi
so, tak heran jika Rumi dengan tariannya diamerasa telah bertemu dengan Tuhannya, Al-Hallaj dan siti Jenar rela dibunuh demi mempertahankan koneksitas yang lebih dari sekedar fisik dan elektrik, melampaui jaringan internet di dunia, menyaingi fasilitas HP yang 3,5G (Tri-ji).

so, yang saya pikirkan dalam otak kotor saya cuman satu! kalo semua orang yang ada di dunia pada berebut ingin "bersetubuh" dengan Tuhan.
- ancur deh yang namanya RUU Poligami? karena nggak poligami lagi ne namanya "Rakusgami" barangkali!! hwe...he... semoga Dia dengan segala Kuasanya dan Ke-Maha Kuat-annya nggak lelah ngelayanin bejibun hamba-hambanya yang semuanya lagi pada horni pengen selalumendekat padanya dan mendapatkan berbagai kenikmatan darinya


Yayak Heriyanto <mesfo96@yahoo.com> wrote:

kalo kedua kenikmatan di atas alhamdulillah masih rutin dan istiqamah mas, bahkan istri saya kadang nolak permintaan saya dan milih nongkrong di hardRock hanya untuk menikmati musik live.
 
kalo ejakulasi ilahiyah, memang prosesnya agak sulit, bahasa kitanya horninya agak lama heee. kita mulai horni manakala masuk pada wilayah energi (nothingness) baru melejit ke wilayah kuasa tuhan, alam jin "kalo mau", alam materi, alam ruh, mentoknya di alam malakut.
 
begitu om..... ya mirip google Earth gitu.

----- Original Message ----
From: edy_pekalongan <edy_pekalongan@yahoo.co.uk>
To: psikologi_transformatif@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:55:13 PM
Subject: [psikologi_transformatif] Re: Balasan: Syaikh Siti Jenar (sex siti jenar)

mas yayak , sudah pernah membandingkan kenikmatan sex dibanding
menikmati seni ?

kalau seni bisa dinikmati lebih lama daripada 27 detik . contohnya
ketika saya minum kopi sambil merokok dan mendengarkan musik jazz ,
bisa enjoy 1 jam mas... (karena saya menikmati prosesnya )

dan tidak perlu harus bertapa/ meditasi/sekolah/ untuk bisa menikmati
keindahan. tapi kalau duit harus punya .contohnya untuk menikmati
konser musik.

masa iya mau nonton konser musik nunggu gratisan ?? kecuali konser
iwan fals . tunggu aja di depan pintu masuk, gak lama setelah konser
mulai juga bakalan di gratiskan oleh penyelenggara. . (soalnya
daripada gerbangnya dijebol paksa oleh massa) he..4x

kalau "ejakulasi ilahiyah" berarti objek yang dinikmati itu apa ya ?

salam,
edy
pekalongan

--- In psikologi_transform atif@yahoogroups .com, Yayak Heriyanto
<mesfo96@... > wrote:
>
> salah satu murid syaih siti jennar yang mencoba mengikuti jejak
gurunya mengatakan bahwa ketika jiwa sudah muwahhidun dengan tuhan,
disitulah kenikmatan yang luar biasa dirasakan jauh lebih nikmat dari
pada kenikmatan sex yang hanya 27 detik 2 detiknya bonus. kenikmatan
sex hanyalah merupakan stimulus energi listrik yang diterima oleh
ulat-ulat yang ada di dalam batok kepala manusia. sementara ejakulasi
ilahiyah adalah energi diatas energi, cahaya diatas cahaya. tapi
sekali lagi ini tidak bisa dibayangin. melainkan seseorang harus
berproses menuju ke sana.
>
> penikmat ejakulasi ilahiyah.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: azharpsikologuin <azharpsikologuin@ ...>
> To: psikologi_transform atif@yahoogroups .com
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:52:03 PM
> Subject: [psikologi_transfor matif] Balasan: Syaikh Siti Jenar (sex
siti jenar)
>
> usaha pensahihan ritual agama melalui gerakan-gerakan sufisme
> sudah marak dari jaman bahela. namun keberadaan agama yang menjadi
> terumbu cahaya iman, kian meredup seiring dengan perkembangan jaman.
>
> syech siti jenar bagi saya merupakan salahsatu tokoh sufi yang pantas
> dikenang oleh ribuan umat muslim seduania, memang entah berantah
> alasannya, yang jelas pengalaman ritualnya yang nyeleneh sempat
> membingungkan para wali di buminusantara ini.
>
> perilaku siti jenar yang sangat khas, menarik dibahas sebagai salah
> satu wacana tentang perilaku manusia dalam kajian psikologi; namun
> kurang tepat kiranya jika wacana ini hanya dijadikan sebagai alat
> legitimasi atas dasar Kompatiologi.
>
> mungkin saja kita hanya mendengar petuah dan ajaran-ajaran siti jenar
> dengan segala pertentangannya dengan mindset walisongo pada waktu itu.
> tapi bagaimana pula dengan bahasan sex siti jenar?
>
> mungkin "baru kali ini tema ini diangkat", kekurang wajaran pada
> ajaran sitijenar apakah berpengaruh juga dengan perilaku sexnya? atau
> mungkin pula siti jenar memiliki pendapat lain tentang ajaran sex
> sebagaimana dalam serat centhini dan dharmo gandul?
>
> bagaimanapula perang sex tradisi jawa kraton dan pertentangannyadeng an
> tradisi sex ala siti jenar? mungkinkah raden sahid sang eksekutor pun
> juga pernah mengalami dendam pribadi,mungkin karena terusik pola sexnya?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[psikologi_transformatif] Warrior: Sepatu untuk Sahabat

WARRIOR: Sepatu untuk Sahabat
Pengarang: Arie Saptaji
Penerbit: Gramedia Pustaka Utama, 2007

Tidak aneh kalau Sri terpilih ikut memperkuat regu gerak jalan
sekolahnya. Dia memang atlet alami. Namun, dia sendiri justru merasa
cemas telah ikut terpilih. Sebagai anak bakul lopis, ia merasa tak
mampu untuk membeli sepatu seragam untuk lomba itu. Untunglah, jalan
mulai terbuka saat ia ditawari membantu membuat kue oleh ibu
sahabatnya, Lisa.

Selain soal sepatu dan persahabatan Sri dengan Lisa, ada Jono, bocah
yang Sri anggap sebagai adiknya. Ada Titin, yang mencebik sinis atas
terpilihnya Sri. Ada juga Bowo, kakak Sri, yang memainkan peran
cukup penting di ujung kisah.

Ya, saat tabungan Sri terkumpul untuk membeli sepatu, sebuah
peristiwa tak terduga mengguncangkan harapannya.

Kisah ini menampilkan kehidupan masa SMP di Ngadirejo, Temanggung,
Jawa Tengah, pada tahun 1980-an. Pernik-pernik era itu menjadi latar
yang membangkitkan nostalgia: dari gerhana matahari total, Vina
Panduwinata, film Little House dan, tentu saja, sepatu Warrior!

Beberapa komentar:

Sisi lain dari cerita TeenLit, nggak melulu menggambarkan kehidupan
remaja di kota besar, tapi juga remaja di tempat yang jauh dari
hiruk-pikuk metropolitan, dengan cerita yang sangat sederhana, tapi
mempunyai alur yang sangat dalam dan mengena. Boleh dibilang ini
adalah classic TeenLit.
---Luna Torashyngu, penulis Love Detective, Victory, Beauty and the
Best, Dua Rembulan, Angel's Heart, dan Lovasket.

Kesederhanaan membuat novel ini berbeda dari novel-novel lainnya.
Mengangkat kehidupan Sri yang sederhana, melalui bahasa dan plot
yang sederhana pula, penulis seolah ingin mengingatkan bahwa cerita
tentang kebaikan dan keteguhan yang pasti akan menang adalah cerita
yang tak lekang oleh waktu.
Dengan atmosfer budaya Jawa yang kental, novel ini menyuguhkan
sesuatu yang unik, berbeda, tapi juga sangat dekat dengan kehidupan
kita.
---Ken Terate, penulis My Friends, My Dreams; Dokter, Pelukis, dan
si Cowok Plin-Plan, Join the Gang, Marshmallow Cokelat, dan Jurnal
Jo.

Wah mas ari ki pie to… aku nangis ko ditulis neng ngeBLOG… Kan yo
isin… hahaha… Akhirnya telur itu pecah juga… Haha ra tau moco novel,
moco pisan ndleler… Oalahh… ndadak nganggo nangis barang to, Wan!!!
Tapi novel'e Mas Ari TOP MARKOTOP kok… Lha aku sampe nangiZ jee…
(Kok bisa ya??) Sri... I love u. Two thumbs up, Mas!!
---wawanISI, pembaca, Jogjakarta.

Minggu depan WARRIOR siap berderap di kancah fiksi Indonesia!

~.ars.~
sepatuwarrior.wordpress.com

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[psikologi_transformatif] Osho describes Enlightenment

Osho describes Enlightenment
Enlightenment is nothing but your becoming light, your inner being becoming light.

Perhaps you are aware that the physicists say that if anything moves with the speed of light, it becomes light--because the speed is so great that the friction creates fire. The thing is burned, there is only light. The material disappears, only immaterial light remains.

Enlightenment is the experience of an explosion of light within you.

Perhaps your desire to be enlightened is moving with the speed of light, like an arrow, so that your very desire, your very longing becomes a flame, an explosion of light. There is nobody who becomes enlightened, there is only enlightenment. There is only a tremendous sunrise within you. upan41

I must have come across hundreds of mystics describing it as if suddenly thousands of suns have risen within you. That is a common expression in the mystic's language, in all languages, in different countries, in different races. transm22

Enlightenment simply means an experience of your consciousness unclouded by thoughts, emotions, sentiments. When the consciousness is totally empty, there is something like an explosion, an atomic explosion. Your whole insight becomes full of a light which has no source and no cause. And once it has happened, it remains. It never leaves you for a single moment; even when you are asleep, that light is inside. And after that moment you can see things in a totally different way. After that experience, there is no question in you. last113

Enlightenment means being fully conscious, aware. Ordinarily we are not conscious and not aware. We are doing things either out of habit or out of biological instincts...

Just as Freud's conscious mind, unconscious mind, and Jung says collective unconscious mind, I say there is a superconscious mind and collective conscious mind. To reach to the collective conscious mind they are going to the roots and I am going to the flowers.

But they're all interconnected and all the devices and matters are to discover in you, something which is simply watchfulness.

For example, I can watch my body--certainly I'm not the body. I can watch my hand: it's hurting, but I'm not the hurt--I'm the watcher. I can watch my thoughts, then I'm not the thought. I'm the watcher and I can watch even the watcher. That is the moment beyond which you cannot go and enlightenment comes.

Enlightenment is simply that you become so conscious, so full of light, that it starts overflowing your life, your being. You can impart it. silent02

When one is enlightened one is conscious, but one is not conscious of consciousness. One is perfectly conscious, but there is no object in it. One is simply conscious, as if a light goes on enlightening the emptiness around it. There is no object, there is nothing the light can fall upon. It is pure consciousness. The object has disappeared; your subject has flowered into totality. Now there is no object--and hence, there can be no subject. The object and subject both have disappeared. You are simply conscious. Not conscious of anything, just conscious. You are consciousness....

...He is not conscious about enlightenment; he is simply conscious. He lives in consciousness, he sleeps in consciousness, he moves in consciousness. He lives, he dies in consciousness. Consciousness becomes an eternal source in him, a nonflickering flame, a nonwavering state of being. It is not an attribute, it is not accidental; it cannot be taken away. His whole being is conscious. yoga804

What is enlightenment? Coming to understand, coming to realize that you are not the body. You are the light within; not the lamp, but the flame. You are neither body nor mind. Mind belongs to the body; mind is not beyond body, it is part of the body--most subtle, most refined, but it is part of the body. Mind is also atomic, as body is atomic. You are neither the body nor the mind--then you come to know who you are. And to know who you are is enlightenment....

Enlightened means you have realized who you are. nomoon05

Enlightenment simply means becoming aware of yourself. Ordinarily, a man is awake to everything around him, but is not aware who is awake and aware of all the things around. So we remain on the periphery of life and the center remains in darkness. To bring light to that center, consciousness to that center is what enlightenment is.

It is just being absolutely centered in yourself, focusing all your consciousness upon yourself as if nothing else exists; only you are. last202

Just be natural so that you can remain in tune with existence. So that you can dance in the rain and you can dance in the sun and you can dance with the trees, and you can have a communion even with the rocks, with the mountains, with the stars.

Except this, there is no enlightenment.

Let me define it: Enlightenment is to be in tune with existence.

To be in tune with nature--the very nature of things--is enlightenment. Against nature there is only misery--and misery created by yourself. Nobody else is responsible for it. mani11

It will be difficult logically to understand it. It is something to be experienced. Since the moment I found the ego evaporating from me, I have not felt part of the universe, but the universe itself. And yes, I have found many moments when I am bigger than the universe--because I can see the stars moving within me, the sunrise happening within me, all the flowers blossoming within me. false21

When I roam the lofty mountains I feel like my soul is raised on high and covered like the peaks in never melting caps of snow. And when I descend into the valleys I feel deep and profound like them and my heart fills with mysterious shadows. The same thing happens at the edge of the sea. There I merge with the surging waves; they pound and roar within me. When I gaze at the sky I expand. I become boundless, unlimited. When I look at the stars, silence permeates me; when I see a flower the ecstasy of beauty overwhelms me. When I hear a bird singing, it's song is an echo of my own inner voice, and when I look into the eyes of an animal I see no difference between them and my own. Gradually my separate existence has been effaced and only God remains. So where shall I look for God now? How shall I seek him? Only he is; I am not.

I was in the hills, and what they wanted to tell me was transmitted through their silence. The trees, the lakes, the rivers, the brooks, the moon and the stars were all speaking to me in the language of silence. And I understood. The words of God were clear to me, I could only hear him when I became silent. Not before. long06

I cannot be other than compassionate; I am just helpless. It has nothing to do with you, it is just the only possibility for me.

The day I came to know myself, I lost many things and I gained a few things. Of the things that I have gained, the most important of them is compassion. So it is irrespective of who is the receiver: a coconut tree or you, it does not matter. I can only look with compassion. My eyes don't have anything else and my heart doesn't have anything else. dawn03

The day you realize yourself, your very being becomes love. It is no longer a relationship, it is no longer addressed to anyone in particular; it is simply overflowing in all directions and all dimensions. And it is not something on my part, that I am doing it. Love cannot be done. And the love that is done is false; it is only pretension.... It is just my heartbeat, my love is my life; nobody is excluded from it. It is so comprehensive that it can contain the whole universe...you too. razor09

You ask me: Is the process of enlightenment the same for everyone?

Enlightenment is a very individual process. Because of its individuality, it has created many problems. First: there are no fixed stages through which a person necessarily passes. Every person passes through different phases, because every person in many lives has gathered different kinds of conditionings. So it is not the question of enlightenment. It is the question of the conditionings that will make your way. And everybody has different conditionings, so no two persons' paths are going to be the same. That's why I insist again and again there is no superhighway; there are only footpaths. And that too, not ready-made, not that you find them already there and you have just to walk on them--no. As you walk you make them, your very walking makes them.

It is said that the path of enlightenment is like a bird flying in the sky: it leaves no footprints behind it, nobody can follow the footprints of the bird. Every bird will have to make its own footprints, but they disappear immediately as the bird goes on flying. The similar is the situation, that's why there is no possibility of a leader and a follower, that's why I say these people--like Jesus, Moses, Mohammed, Krishna--who say that "You just believe me and follow me," don't know anything about enlightenment.

If they had known, then this statement was impossible, because anybody who has become enlightened, knows that he has not left any footprints behind; now saying to people "Come and follow me," is just absurd.

So what happened to me is not necessary for anybody else to pass through. It is possible that one may remain normal and suddenly become enlightened.

It is like here there are fifty people: if we all go to sleep, everybody will have his own dream; you can't have a common dream. That is an impossibility. There is no way to create a common dream. Your dream will be yours, my dream will be mine, and we will be in different places, in different dreams. And when we will wake up, I may wake up at a certain stage in my dream, you may wake up at a certain stage in your dream. How they can be the same?

Enlightenment is nothing but awakening. For the enlightened person, all our lives are just dreams. They may be good dreams, they may be bad dreams; they may be nightmares, they may be very nice and beautiful dreams, but all the same they are dreams.

You can wake up any moment. That is always your potentiality. Sometimes you may an effort to wake up, and you find that it is difficult. You may have had dreams in which you are trying to shout but you cannot shout. You want to wake up and get out of the bed, but you cannot, your whole body is paralyzed, as if.

But in the morning you wake up and you simply laugh at the whole thing, but at the moment when it was happening, it was not a thing to laugh at. It was really serious. Your whole body was almost dead, you could not move your hands, you could not speak, you could not open your eyes. You knew that, now you are finished. But in the morning, you simply don't pay any attention to it, you don't even reconsider it, what it was. Just knowing that it was a dream, it becomes meaningless. And you are awake, then whether the dreams were good or bad does not matter.

The same is the situation about enlightenment. All the methods that are being used are simply somehow to create a situation in which your dream is broken. How much you are attached with the dream will be different, individual to individual. How much deep is your sleep will be different, individual to individual. But all methods are just to shake you so that you can wake up. At what point you will wake up does not matter at all.

So my breakdown and breakthrough is not going to be for everybody. It happened that way to me. There were reasons why it happened that way.

I was working alone on myself, with no friends, no fellow travelers, no commune. To work alone, one is bound to get into many troubles, because there are moments which can only be called nights of soul, so dark and so dangerous. It seems as if you have come to the last breathe of your life, that this is death, nothing else. That experience is a nervous breakdown.

Facing death, and nobody to support and nobody to encourage, and nobody to say, "Not to be worried, this will pass away," that "This is is only a nightmare, and the morning is very close. Darker the night, the closer is the sunrise. Don't be worried." Nobody around whom you trust, who trusts you--that was the reason for the nervous breakdown. But, it was not harmful. It looked harmful at the moment, but soon the dark night was gone, and the sunrise was there. The breakdown has become the breakthrough.

To each individual it will happen differently. And the same is true after enlightenment: the expression of enlightenment will be different....

Enlightenment is a very individual song--always unknown, always new, always unique. It comes never as a repetition. So never compare two enlightened persons, otherwise you are bound to do unjustice with one or the other, or both.

And don't have any fixed idea. Just very liquid qualities should be remembered. I say liquid qualities, not very determinate qualifications.

For example, every enlightened person will have a deep silence--almost tangible. In his presence, those who are open, receptive, will become silent. He will have a tremendous contentment, whatever happens makes no difference to his contentment.

He will not have any question left, all questions have dissolved--not that he knows all answers, but all questions have dissolved. And in that state of utter silence, no-mind, he is capable of answering any question with tremendous profundity. It needs no preparation. He himself does not know what he is going to say, it comes spontaneously; sometimes he himself is surprised. But that does not mean that he has answers inside himself, ready-made.

He has no answers at all. He has no questions at all. He has just a clarity, a light that can be focused on any question, and all the implications of the question, and all the possibilities of its being answered, suddenly become clear....

...But the enlightened man has no answers, no scriptures, no quotation marks. He is simply available; just like a mirror, he responds, and he responds with intensity and totality.

So these are liquid qualities, not qualifications. So don't look on small things, that what he eats, what he wears, where he lives--those are all irrelevant. Just watch for his love, for his compassion, for his trust. Even if you take advantage of his trust, that does not change his trust. Even if you misuse his compassion, cheat his love, that does not make any difference. That is your problem. His trust, his compassion, his love remains just the same.

His only effort in life will be how to make people awake. Whatever he does, this is the only purpose behind every act: how to make more and more people awake, because through awaking he has come to know the ultimate bliss of life.



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[psikologi_transformatif] Re: Anda Ingin Melejitkan Kemampuan IQ, EQ, dan SQ (5th Limited Edition)

Mas,

buku saya itu gak usah dibeli, itu cukup untuk anak saya sendiri,
paling-paling untuk anaknya Mbak Ratih. itu sudah bagus.

begitu.......

training ya training, tapi menurut saya Rektor UI gak sampai bikin
beginian lah...... belum seperti saya, yang masih kejar setoran.
hahahahaha

salam,
goen

--- In psikologi_transformatif@yahoogroups.com, "gotholoco"
<gotholoco@...> wrote:
>
> Maksudnya, training semodel ini mengurangi orang untuk membeli
buku
> model karangan ala Mas Goen.
> Tidak fair membawa lembaga Rektor UI ?
>
> Halah dagang...dagang...
> Ayoo siapa yang mau ikut training PQ(phisical quotient), untuk
> melengkapi ESQ gratis bersama gotho!!
> gotho
>
> --- In psikologi_transformatif@yahoogroups.com, "goenardjoadi"
> <goenardjoadi@> wrote:
> >
> > training ya training
> >
> > tapi mbok jangan pake nama Rektor UI, masak sih Rektor UI mau
> bikin
> > seminar? lha muridnya saja sudah 10,000 orang piye ngurusine?
> >
> > audifax, piye?
> >
> > salam,
> > goen
> >
> >
> > --- In psikologi_transformatif@yahoogroups.com, Edita Rektorat
UI
> > <hans_ti00@> wrote:
> > >
> > > SHIFTING PARADIGM TO BE A GENUINE LEADER
> > >
> > > THE PIONEER OF BREAKTHROUGH EXCLUSIVE TRAINING
>

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[psikologi_transformatif] Re: Anda Ingin Melejitkan Kemampuan IQ, EQ, dan SQ (5th Limited Edition)

Maksudnya, training semodel ini mengurangi orang untuk membeli buku
model karangan ala Mas Goen.
Tidak fair membawa lembaga Rektor UI ?

Halah dagang...dagang...
Ayoo siapa yang mau ikut training PQ(phisical quotient), untuk
melengkapi ESQ gratis bersama gotho!!
gotho

--- In psikologi_transformatif@yahoogroups.com, "goenardjoadi"
<goenardjoadi@...> wrote:
>
> training ya training
>
> tapi mbok jangan pake nama Rektor UI, masak sih Rektor UI mau
bikin
> seminar? lha muridnya saja sudah 10,000 orang piye ngurusine?
>
> audifax, piye?
>
> salam,
> goen
>
>
> --- In psikologi_transformatif@yahoogroups.com, Edita Rektorat UI
> <hans_ti00@> wrote:
> >
> > SHIFTING PARADIGM TO BE A GENUINE LEADER
> >
> > THE PIONEER OF BREAKTHROUGH EXCLUSIVE TRAINING

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Re: Bls: Balasan: Bls: [psikologi_transformatif] Global Warming dan Kearifan Kuno

Planet Dunia ini dengan segala macem Globalnya mau diseminarkan mau
diprotokol kyiyoto-ken, mau 'road-map to bali' de es be, tetep akan
hancur secara pelan-pelan. Tak ada tempat untuk mengungsi ke planet
laen. 'We are all trapping in the world'.

Yang lebih perlu dicermati adalah 'global warning' yang akan mengena
kepada diri kita sendiri, kiamat diri, tanda-tandanya dan kapan
waktunya. Bagaimana mati secara sukses he..he..he..

gotho

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> ----- Pesan Asli ----
> Dari: lulu <lu2_mm@...>
> Kepada: psikologi_transformatif@yahoogroups.com
> Terkirim: Senin, 17 Desember, 2007 7:58:25
> Topik: Balasan: Bls: [psikologi_transformatif] Global Warming dan
Kearifan Kuno

> Dear Bapak Jusuf ...
>
> sebelumnya mohon ijin untuk mengcopas ya pak ..
> karena agak berat untuk langsung di pahami ...
> jadi ya di simpan aja dulu untuk kembali di pahami entar habis
pulang kantor...
>
> salam hangat dan salam kenal
> /Lu2

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